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Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:49:32 -0400 last edited: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:49:55 -0400 from mastodon

Anything you say or do in Firefox may be used by Mozilla against you. You have the right to use a different browser. If you cannot find a browser that doesn’t fuck you over one way or another, one will not be provided for you because capitalism is working exactly as designed.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-terms-of-use/

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/information-about-the-new-terms-of-use-and-updated-privacy/td-p/87735

#Mozilla #Firefox #TermsOfUse #SiliconValley #BigTech #USA #AI

Hache☕

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:53:27 -0400 last edited: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:53:58 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan I have a question here, does this also apply to Firefox forks? (I'm afraid the answer is yes...)

CC: @Waterfox

LibTarg’s 5-Alarm Fire 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:55:30 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan Grrr, I just switched over to Firefox after realizing how crappy Chrome is for privacy/ads. 😡

Parade du Grotesque 💀

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:56:00 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan

That's... Accurate.

Hurtful, to be honest, but accurate.

Charlie the Anti-Fascist Dog

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 09:58:55 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan which browser do you use?

Gareth Kitchen

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:06:43 -0400 from akkoma

@Aral Balkan This prompted me to make a donation to LibreWolf, which I use all day, every day as my browser of choice.

It really irks that they don't take donations...... :(

https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#why-dont-you-accept-donations

Michael Santaly

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:07:44 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan Another good reminder that just because something is lead by a non-profit does not mean it has inherent ethics or the interests of its consumers in mind

Mess around Marx

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:11:38 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan
Does that mean, if i type something into a mask on an encrypted website (https), that Mozilla can read it?

Reay

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:13:13 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan
@Carey Parker My email to you preceded my seeing this, but yeah, in the same vein of questioning…

BroBot9000

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:14:44 -0400 from lemmy

I just discovered a Firefox fork called Floorp. It’s being developed in Japan and their privacy policy is very good. Check em out!

Me 🐶

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:17:19 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan has anyone used the #TheOnionRouter aka tor browser? @Electronic Frontier Foundation rates it good for privacy.

💉😷🌿🇺🇦🇺🇳🇪🇺Oiselarius (he/him)

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:18:59 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan deleted the app and Thunderbird

Reay

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:20:44 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan I’ve been noodling on privacy-oriented and non-Chromium options other than FF for a while, and feel a bit hamstrung.

Really rather avoid Brave for not wanting to support that CEO, and that doesn’t leave much.

The hope that I can also sync a browser between my iPhone app and Windows laptop seemingly just makes it totally unattainable.

Wide open to other recommendations.

Jazzonbike

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:22:31 -0400 last edited: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:32:35 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan What's about Brave as an alternative?

RobotToaster

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:25:21 -0400 from lemmy

Guess they have to pay the CEO’s $7m salary somehow.

Dominik :verified_paw:

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:34:09 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan
@Mozilla @Firefox Nightly care to explain?

🅱️eisbolCards

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:42:39 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan

Gave Vivaldi a try and so far am enjoying the UI as I can move between tabs easier than Firefox and seems a bit faster.

BigLinter

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:43:36 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan luckily one has a choice... to switch what theyre using.

one choice might be the tor browser. which is based on ff, lets you import your bookmarks (password import is a bit problematic...) and supports the extensions without that the web would be unbareable.

MrQuallzin

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:46:05 -0400 from lemmy

Not sure how comments propagate between Lemmy and Mastodon, but I’m getting tired of the fear mongering and misinformation about all of this. Can you point to the specific parts of the new Terms that you’re afraid of? I’ve gone through it, as have many others, and these are pretty boilerplate standards any company would have. Things like AI bots are USER enabled. You have to actively turn it on to use it and DUH you’ll have to agree to that services Terms as well.

Hugo

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:56:49 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan time for @Fedora Project to move away from shipping @Firefox on new releases.

Deebster

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:57:31 -0400 from lemmy

The Privacy Notice doesn’t say anything problematic at all, why is everyone acting like Mozilla is going to be feeding every keystroke into a database/AI? It’s just saying that they’re allowed use your inputs to browse to the sites you’ve asked for, and to give the form data/uploads/mic/whatever to the sites you’re using.

A few words cherry picked from the middle of a sentence isn’t how legal stuff works.

Fouad

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:59:27 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan

Where does Opera stand as a privacy oriented choice?

maniajack

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 11:01:11 -0400 last edited: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 11:02:04 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan I don't quite understand the hate of Firefox, was their "update" directed at your sentiment? Mozilla is a nonprofit and they're of course not going to be perfect but they're kind of the last game in town since Google took over all the browser backends? I see a lot of "go to librewolf" but would they have enough support to maintain the browser if FF died?

mijenix

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 11:32:03 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan
good time to start contributing to ladybird, either monetary or via
contributions https://donorbox.org/ladybird

Randomgal

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 11:37:06 -0400 from lemmy

Bro imagine caring so much about your fucking browser. Lmao

Quantum

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 11:37:35 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan That looks bad. But it won't drive me to run straight in the claws of Google's Chromium. The choices without Chromium are thin. Maybe i will give LibreWolf a spin some day.

Marguerite Efdé

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 12:10:48 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan The practical solution I found in the comments was #LibreWolf. I'll have a look at that browser. Just being interested in alternative solutions.

#browsers

SilentDetective

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 12:19:19 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan Damn, not firefox too. It was the last *mainstream* browser that didn't exploit your privacy. People who want to switch, Vivaldi, Brave and other firefox forks are still open (though you should do your research before moving)

stony kark

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 13:54:17 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan that’s it, I’m making my own browser from scratch. Forget the blackjack and hookers, I just want to browse the internet sometimes

Waitman Gobble

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 16:52:30 -0400 from Get Ready To Rumbly

Might look at NetSurf.. unless you want to fork the HTML renderer from KDE like all the other browsers did. Then use duktape for JavaScript I guess. Instead of spidermonkey....

edric

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 14:37:50 -0400 from lemmy

Can someone clarify if there’s an option to opt-out of all these new data collection stuff? I have all the telemetry related stuff disabled, so I’m not sure if it includes these new things.

SpaceLifeForm

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 14:50:01 -0400 from mastodon

@Aral Balkan

Fork it.