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Fri, 24 Feb 2023 08:56:37 -0400 from Hypogea

Giac El Vecio wrote the following post Fri, 24 Feb 2023 08:56:28 -0400

I'm playing a little with `arrange apps' and I noticed that the order I decide on the phone then on the computer changes, and vice versa. Does this happen to you too?

@Giac El Vecio

ray peaslee

Fri, 24 Feb 2023 21:51:54 -0400 from hubzilla

Do you mean it only changes it on your phone but not on your computer?

Mike Macgirvin

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 02:31:12 -0400 from zap

Seems to work for me - provided that if you change it on one device, you reload the page on the other before concluding that it failed.

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 09:03:15 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

In truth it didn't completely fail, it changed the order but not the same as what I had decided, but it definitely didn't stay the same. Maybe it's due to the fact that I have an item (languages app) placed in the top bar and this item in the phone is the first item that appears in the menu?

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 10:26:12 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

So now I'm at the PC again, and after reloading the pages in the 2 devices:
photos, events, directory, settings have respected the decided order and are the same in the 2 devices, while the order of the remaining apps is different in the 2 devices.

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 10:30:06 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

...always remembering that the language app element is in the top bar on the PC (by my choice) and on the phone it is always placed as the first element of the menu.
And maybe, just a guess, that's what affects the order of other apps that change position.

Mike Macgirvin

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 16:54:10 -0400 from zap

OK, I think I understand. I forgot about this behaviour. If you've got a dozen apps on the top bar and shrink the screen to fit on a phone, the top bar apps probably won't fit on the top bar any more. So we have to remove them from the top bar. These are things you thought were important and wanted to keep accessible.

So what we do is put the top bar items (in top bar order) onto the phone's special app-menu followed by the normal app menu items (in app menu order). I don't consider that a bug. I've just added a divider so you can see at a glance that they are two separate app lists (and also fixed the app management links at the bottom of the list). Hopefully that will make the behaviour more intuitive and obvious.

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 18:35:26 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

I have now, today, 2 apps in the top bar, yesterday just 1, but what I can see is that just 3 or 4 apps remains in the same order, the apps in the topbar go in the first place in the menu, ok, I understand this, but there are always the rest, 3 or 4 apps in a different order in the devices... And those are not the apps in the top bar.

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 18:52:52 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

Mike Macgirvin

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 18:54:39 -0400 from zap

If I can duplicate what you're seeing I can fix it.

I can't duplicate it and I've spent hours trying. Please give me precise instructions how to repeat what you're seeing or I can't help.

You can simulate the phone screen by shrinking the desktop screen. This removes any browser caching and whether or not you've re-loaded the latest changes from the equation. If you see something different shrinking the desktop screen from what you see on the phone after reloading both to ensure that you're working with current data, it isn't a streams issue - it's a browser cache issue. And it's quite possible I can't fix it.

Mike Macgirvin

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 19:05:11 -0400 from zap

Incidentally, you can also look at

https://rumbly.net/pconfig/system/app_order
and
https://rumbly.net/pconfig/system/app_pin_order

to verify the stored positions are what you think they should be.

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 22:13:39 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

what I can see in
https://rumbly.net/pconfig/system/app_order

is different from what I see in my phone and also different from what I see in my PC , 3 different orders...
I don't know what's problem here in rumbly or maybe in the 2 browsers...

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 22:50:20 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

for example now i changed the position of the stream app , i put it in last position using pc, and in phone it changed all the order again, the stream app is in fourth position, but the others also changed all the order which is completely different from the previous one, and also completely different from the one in the pc.

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 23:02:22 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

https://rumbly.net/pconfig/system/app_pin_order
is empty ,

but I pinned 2 ( for the top bar), language and channel home , so I don't know why is empty

Mike Macgirvin

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 23:06:22 -0400 from zap

Forget the menu for a minute and whether or not it's a phone or desktop and even whether it's in the navbar. Maybe I should be asking this question: if you change the app_order and then look at the pconfig for app_order, do these two match?

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 23:08:32 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

one positive thing: finally what I now see in the menu on the pc is the same as the one on https://rumbly.net/pconfig/system/app_order

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 23:13:01 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

after the last change, the one related to app stream , at least my PC and https://rumbly.net/pconfig/system/app_order match, so probably the problem is my chromium phone browser.
Before the last change I had 3 different orders and none matched.

Giac El Vecio

Sat, 25 Feb 2023 23:28:26 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

last experiment for today: now i changed order again, but this time using phone,
the good thing is that order in phone and order in https://rumbly.net/pconfig/system/app_order match,

the negative is that the order in the computer is all wrong again and does not correspond to the other 2, and cleaning the cache in the pc does not solve anything.

Mike Macgirvin

Sun, 26 Feb 2023 01:35:06 -0400 from zap

I still can't duplicate the problem, but I think it's fixed. Your app order might be screwy after the next update, but set it right and it should maintain its order across devices. The difference is that we aren't making decisions based on the app name, because it could change when translations are in effect. So now we're storing the guid, which uniquely identifies which app you want in that slot.

Giac El Vecio

Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:14:39 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

Mike, considering the behavior of pinned apps in the case of a phone or a small window they are automatically moved to the main menu, isn't it better to work with exclusion, like that the star excludes the pin and the pin excludes the star instead of existing the possibility to mark both?

Or is my logic leaking? Maybe I'm not considering something important, and this happens more and more as the years go by... :)

Mike Macgirvin

Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:36:06 -0400 from zap

I feel people should be allowed to decide for themselves what works best for them. Nobody said you had to select both.

Giac El Vecio

Sun, 26 Feb 2023 15:02:51 -0400 from Unio Diversi Spiritus

I tested DarkRed in https://rumbly.net/pconfig/redbasic/background_colour , I like it,
what's the name of the top bar in https://rumbly.net/pconfig/redbasic ?

Mike Macgirvin

Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:05:21 -0400 from zap

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